Future affordable rare cars

"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner) 10/28/2020 at 11:30 • Filed to: future classics

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During my evening pursue of my monthl y car mags, I came across two cars that I really like. The LC500 ‘vert from Lexus and the Lincoln Continental stretch.

As it turns out, the Continental will end production in 2020 with the final build series coming from a coach builder. I didn’t realize coach builders still exist, but apparently they do. Anyway, they are stretching the wheelbase about 6 inches, adding some nice touches to the interior, and throwing on a set of rear French doors. I’ve always liked the Continental and this final run is only about 200 cars and they are fully loaded. I have a feeling people will forget this car existed in about 15 years and will be relatively cheap. Parts will be a bear to source but I won’t car, that thing is beautiful.

Now onto the LC500 convertible. Again, super pretty car. Even the gaping grill doesn’t put me off. Maybe I’ve grown accustomed to the Predator face look? Like the Lincoln, it stickers north of 100K but won’t be sold in high volume and doesn’t have the resale of Porsche or MB or direct competitors. No one thinks of a big, smooth, powerful GT convertible from Lexus. The LFA will always command a premium but I think the LC 500 will drop like a stone over the next 10 years when their owners finally kick the bucket after only putting 2 5K miles on it.

I’m calling my shot Oppo. These two are future classics and are on my short list of cars I want to own, which incidentally, isn’t very short at all.

What does Oppo say? What relatively mass-produced car is currently for sale that you think will be an affordable future classic? What car will fly below the radar and be a cool, unique ride in 20-30 years?

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 11:48

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All of the hot Cadillacs, really. They just aren’t mainstream enough to sustain high prices and as Cadillac continues to dilute their V subbrand they’ll only start to look better and better. And the ATS coupes and wagons are already low key cult classics in the making.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 10/28/2020 at 11:50

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That LSA based CTS-V is a monster— and sure future classic.

I’m skeptical on his Lincoln.  I don’t think they’ll ever have the following to be worthwhile.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 10/28/2020 at 11:51

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While I agree those will be future classics, I don’t see them flying under the radar . People will always know what they have as enthusiasts are the only ones buying them. Can you even find a V wagon under 35K? Has it fallen into the Elise Syndrome trap?

Maybe the first gen V as though as beat to hell by now.

facw > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 11:53

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LC500 convertible. Again, super pretty car 

I find it appallingly hideous. I suspect we are going to have to agree to disagree here.

SpeedSix > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 11:56

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I believe that the LC500 will stop dropping in value fairly quickly, once all the naturally-aspirated Lexus models of today end production.

Nobody really realized, but Lexus is the last hurrah for natural aspiration in a luxury vehicle. Various Lexuses are the only model in their segment with an N/A engine - t he LC is the only large grand tourer (5.0L V8), the RC is the only compact coupe (3.5L V6), the IS is the only compact luxury (3.5L V6), and the GS is the only midsize luxury (3.5L V6, 5.0L V8 for the F). With smaller turbo engines and widespread electrification in the future, someone will pine for natural aspiration.

Also, the Lexus LC models are nearly actual concept cars brought to production, and there ought to be some demand for a product of such a rare occurance.

Future next gen S2000 owner > facw 10/28/2020 at 11:58

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Arrivederci > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 11:58

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You’ll be seeing these on BaT within five years.

Milky > facw 10/28/2020 at 11:59

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downvote 

Future next gen S2000 owner > SpeedSix 10/28/2020 at 12:00

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I see them similar to a BMW 850. Those dropped as people forgot about them, to a certain extent. 10-15 year olds in the future will have houses and mortgages to worry about leaving those of us later in our careers to pick them up off the used market.

I see a whole generation of people not knowing both of these never existed.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Arrivederci 10/28/2020 at 12:02

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This is a good entry. The V90 is another one.

facw > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 12:02

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I’m worried for you people. I feel like the normal response on seeing that should be vomit ing, not adoration. 

404 - User No Longer Available > facw 10/28/2020 at 12:06

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Tolerances have gone up since the advent of the 2021 BMW 4-series and the Youabian Puma.

fintail > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 12:07

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S-class cabrio should eventually have resale value on par with month old bread:

Thomas Donohue > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 12:11

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Once the batteries come off warranty, prices will really plummet. It’s ~$20,000 for a replacement now, so the big question is will there be cheaper/better alternatives in 10+ years? I think there will.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Arrivederci 10/28/2020 at 12:12

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great pick. outstanding, in fact.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > SpeedSix 10/28/2020 at 12:16

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T he RX is also naturally aspirated, as is the Toyota version. Not sure why it has taken Toyota so long to add turbos to most of their engines.

Edgyhal94 > Arrivederci 10/28/2020 at 12:18

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The p300 AWD ones are on my radar, as they are slowly creeping into affordable territory. Pity they’re all automatics, but oh well I quite like the ZF they have. Looks alone is why I want one, plus the added bonus of practicality.

Good choice 

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 12:19

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The first gens definitely were off the radar. I remember people buying them super cheap and using them as daily commuters 4-5 years ago. Their values just dropped off a cliff.

The later ones and wagons, however, seemed to be all purchased by enthusiasts and the wagons in particular will probably never drop very far in price from where they are now. In fact, I suspect the handful that exist with an automatic (all in the 30k-40k range today) will be swapped, because the manual (all in the $70k-90k range, if you can find one at all) adds that much value.

SpeedSix > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 10/28/2020 at 12:22

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The ES is also naturally aspirated, but both models compete with many others in a less-defined segment, so I hadn’t done the research whether or not natural aspiration for them is class-exclusive, which is the case for the IS, RC, GS, and LC (nothing comparable with N/A for them).

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 12:25

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20-30 years down t he line sedans will be the rarest only next to wagons so- This, with the V8

Also the CT6 Blackwing V8

Future next gen S2000 owner > facw 10/28/2020 at 12:28

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I saw one in person. It’s not perfect. It is definitely the worst portion of the car. I think all the bigger grills on their SUV’s have numbed my hatred of it.

CompactLuxuryFan > fintail 10/28/2020 at 12:34

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Yeah, almost any coupe or convertible sold today is selling so slowly that it will be affordable and rare soon. 

Goggles Pizzano > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 12:39

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facw > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 12:42

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Honestly, while I think the grill is ugly, to me the worst part is how high the hood sits above the doors . It looks totally misshapen and makes the windshield look out of proportion.

rctothefuture > fintail 10/28/2020 at 12:45

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I imagine these will hold some value as they are more rare then the sedan equivalent. 

Long_Voyager94 > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 12:48

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I already own it.......

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 12:52

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The coupes aren’t as crazy in price though.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 12:57

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Especially the Cross Country. Of the two V90s I’ve seen, all have been regular ones.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > facw 10/28/2020 at 12:58

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But that suede interior, mmmmmmmmm.

facw > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 10/28/2020 at 12:59

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It isn’t easy to clean vomit from suede though.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > facw 10/28/2020 at 13:05

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Have you sat in one? I love it, vomit stains and all.

Though I can confirm, the rear seats are not designed to actually fit even a very very small person. It physi cally hurt to sit back there.

ClassicDatsunDebate > SpeedSix 10/28/2020 at 13:08

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I’m all for NA displacement, but the reason Lexus still has the 3.5 is because they haven’t “nex-gen’d” it yet. When you can get 300HP out of a 2.0L turbo with more torque and a powerband made up for by a 10 speed transmission, it’s hard to justify the V6. I went from the 3.7 to the 3.5 to  the 2L turbo and the smaller engine is much more sporty even though it’s down 15 HP.

Anything over 350HP....yes NA and big displacement please.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Arrivederci 10/28/2020 at 13:34

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As a wagon guy I like those but I think I would buy a nicely equipped Volvo, the ones being sold now look very nice. 

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 10/28/2020 at 13:35

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I think all the ones around here are as nice as you can order them, I drool at the V90s, a nice V60 is not so big, more like my Acura. 

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 13:38

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I’m not sure how cheap the LCs will get, they are pretty rare. I don’t think it will be like finding an SC500. I usually install the auto shows and the year that Lincoln came out I kept wandering over to that booth and sitting in it. I really like what they are doing. I love the door handles on that car too, I kept touching them. 

Arrivederci > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 10/28/2020 at 13:42

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While the Volvos will be more desirable now is why I think the Jaaaaaaag will be more desirable later :).

MUSASHI66 > ClassicDatsunDebate 10/28/2020 at 14:18

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Counterpoint. 279hp V6 in our 2017 RDX feels so much better than the uninspired 270-something HP 2.0 turbocharged 4 cylinder in the 2020 RDX. New one is not sportier at all - .2 seconds faster 0-60  

New one is a 10 speed vs the 6sp in the old one, and constant shifting is just annoying. All the fucking nannies in the car are annoying. The bloated center console is annoying. The stupid mousepad for screen control is annoying and unintuitive.

Our 2017 has 18000 miles. I hope it lasts us  20 years - although it’s just an appliance, at least is not a computer on wheels. 

ClassicDatsunDebate > MUSASHI66 10/28/2020 at 14:34

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I think you have some cognitive bias because the old RDX isn’t in the same league as the new one. And I have a ton of ownership experience with the 3.7 and the 3.5 powertrains.  We can agree to disagree :)

MUSASHI66 > ClassicDatsunDebate 10/28/2020 at 14:50

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Not in the same league in which sense? We drove the old one to the shop, drove the new one back, and repeated later, so 4 hours of back to back driving in both models in one day.

We’ve only had the 2017 for a month or so, so it’s not like I’m attached to it in any way, and it is just an unexciting appliance , but the new one... bit more torque and bit less HP than the old one, and it doesn’t feel sporty at all, and the perceived luxury is just generational difference in audio and connectivity. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 10/28/2020 at 15:30

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I always forget that these are different cars.

The differences are so subtle.

Amoore100 > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 10/28/2020 at 15:32

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Which is weird because it’s the V90 XC that is regularly stocked by dealers and the standard V90 which is exclusively special order IIRC. My uncle did his duty and picked up a V90 XC, though. I wouldn’t be surprised if dealers did just order standard V90s in our area anyway, the affluent Democrats love a big Euro wagon.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Goggles Pizzano 10/28/2020 at 15:35

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But why would you want one of those?

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 10/28/2020 at 15:36

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Yeah, I’ll take either! 

notsomethingstructural > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 15:42

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The Lincoln is an instant classic. It’s not remotely in the same league as the Lexus. A bespoke coach-built limited edition domestic V8 luxury car with suicide doors? Compared to “a Lexus that isn’t selling well”? If you want one of those Lincolns hope you’re already on the list. There’s no freggin way people will forget that car, everyone absolutely loves it, and it’s inevitably the last of several simultaneously dying breeds.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 10/28/2020 at 15:43

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The V60 starts at $40,000 and the V90 starts at $51,000. Both are really in competition with premium luxury crossovers but for people who want to be different.

Though the XC90 starts at $49,000 and is really more similar to the $45,000 V60 Cross Country, it sells far far better. I get why the $55,000 V90 Cross Country is pretty uncommon though. That’s a lot more money for not all that much more car. 

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 10/28/2020 at 15:50

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Hmm I do like the XC90, but I believe the V90 has ride height control and you can lift it up for snow etc.. They are also pretty big, in reality the V60 is probably easier to live with. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 10/28/2020 at 15:57

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With the price and size difference I’d take the V60 but I wouldn’t mind either. Still can’t believe they’ve even sold the two I saw. I’d probably go regular, not Cross Country though. 

Goggles Pizzano > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 10/28/2020 at 16:07

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Beyond being the envy of the neighborhood? U m...high seating position and visibility?

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Goggles Pizzano 10/28/2020 at 16:14

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I’d hate to live in a neighborhood where people envy the very definition of futility but America’s full of them.

fintail > rctothefuture 10/28/2020 at 16:48

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I think the AMG models will have a relatively high depreciation floor, but the non-tuned models will probably devalue to a pretty low level just like most SLs and E cabrios etc.

fintail > CompactLuxuryFan 10/28/2020 at 16:49

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That’s exactly it, the market moved on, which won’t help resale.

My old local dealer often had unsold leftover S coupes and cabrios, or low mileage demos nobody would touch.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 16:57

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Cadillac ELR

The values of these have already dropped massively and they weren’t sold in great numbers because the performance, while fine for a daily driver, was a joke for a modern Cadillac at the price they were asking.

It had Tesla Model S pricing but without the performance and worse energy efficiency.

But I would buy one if it was cheap enough.  And while they’re nothing special in terms of performance, I think the ELR looks pretty.

CompactLuxuryFan > fintail 10/28/2020 at 17:19

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Well, for the S-class poor resale is an age-old story and the coupes were never particularly common. For something like a Civic coupe, however , the needle’s swung 180 quite quickly and I do agree it will have worse resale than its sedan or hatch siblings despite being rarer.

fintail > CompactLuxuryFan 10/28/2020 at 19:14

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Looking back at the past 50 years, only a couple non-AMG MB coupes have significant value, and they need to be absolutely mint to bring top dollar (124 and 126 coupes). SLCs and 2000s+ cars can be bought for relatively little relative to their original price (MB coupes were always marketed as a super-premium product) , and this doesn’t seem to be changing.

Dusty Ventures > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/28/2020 at 20:40

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Any Genesis sedan

ClassicDatsunDebate > MUSASHI66 10/29/2020 at 11:51

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The ‘17 is a great CUV! One of my fam has a 2016 and I’m an Acura fanboi remember.

When i transitioned from the 3.5 I was skeptical of the 2L. Now that I’ve had a year and a half with it, and looking back at the 3.5 and 3.7, I’d describe it as this: The 2L is always where you need it. Not as schizophrenic as the 9ZF and not as confused as the 6 speed. Plus the torque...in normal driving it’s what you really notice.

The old dual screen info system was first introduced in 2011 and was an offshoot of the ‘ 07, so I was really looking for a change.

I’m not thrilled about some of the corners cut in the interior of the ‘19 RDX coming from a TLX, but overall I’d say overall the chassis, powertrain and Edutainment system (sorry KRS1) are advancements over the previous gens

MUSASHI66 > ClassicDatsunDebate 10/30/2020 at 09:25

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It sounds to me you like the 10 speed auto more than the 2l turbo. I still think the V6 is better but the 6sp lets it down, and it would be amazing with a ZF 8sp.

I really dislike the super short ratios of the 10sp shifting like crazy when you gun it.

We also have the 2017 RDX AWD base, so no dual screens which is a blessing. The technology package gets you the dual screens and fog lights and I hate it. Single screen is preferable but it can’t be replaced with a new head with CarPlay which is the only bummer.

Let’s put it this way - we love the 2017, we hope it last forever, and when the time comes to replace it, there is a very slim chance it’ll be for a 2020 RDX. Too many compromises, and the buttons for transmission might be the dumbest thing Honda has ever done - even worse than no physical volume controls. 

ClassicDatsunDebate > MUSASHI66 10/30/2020 at 11:03

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The 10 speed IS a good part of a great overall package. I wonder if you had yours in Economy mode because I don’t notice any short shifting.

Like I say, the 17 is a great vehicle as well...it’s not either/or here.

What Honda/Acura doesn’t have physical volume buttons?? All mine have had 2 physical buttons, in fact...dash and wheel. :)

MUSASHI66 > ClassicDatsunDebate 10/30/2020 at 11:11

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We had it in sport plus, sport and comfort. They all do the hnn hnn hnn hnn hnn shifting instead of a nice hnnnnn hnnnnn and you’re done.

2016-2019 Civics and Accords didn’t have a physical volume button. It was on the steering wheel, but some idiot approved not having it on the stereo.

The new shifter buttons on Acuras are infuriating. The went from a nice, good, simple shifter known to the whole world , to “I have to look down and to find the damn D button”. Just idiotic. 

ClassicDatsunDebate > MUSASHI66 10/30/2020 at 11:19

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You’ll get used to it

MUSASHI66 > ClassicDatsunDebate 10/30/2020 at 12:23

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I won’t , as I won’t be buying one :).